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Posted on 11/9/14 9:02:06 AM | Show thread starter's posts only

Ok, so you know how theres a 35k damage cap, so why is it so important to throw in dps on the mesas? Even my Frost Witch has no trouble hitting for 35k a whack after the druid buffs. So my question is, could it possibly be better to put in heros with higher attack speed versus high damage heros? Could that lead to a faster mesa completion? Thoughts?

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Posted on 11/9/14 9:16:29 AM | Show thread starter's posts only

Edited by Ritchell(114763469) at 11-9-2014 09:17 AM

A maxed out mesa attempt has every hero hitting the 200ms attack speed cap and the 35k damage cap. The only way to do more DPS after that is to have every hero survive to attack the boss(es), talents that hit for extra attacks (slow down, heavy blow), and/or heroes that hit more frequently on proc (SZ, Immo). The other way is to delay the stun via FW/Aries.

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Posted on 11/9/14 9:45:41 AM | Show thread starter's posts only

When people say bring DPS heroes to mesa, they mean SnowZilla, Immortep, or Vlad Dracula (in that order). Their procs allow them to hit multiple extra times for a value of said dmg cap of 35k, and their proc also keeps hitting while stunned, making it the only way to really increase dmg.

Attack speed does not matter in mesa because all heroes will eventually hit with 200 ms anyway. Im always annoyed when people bring a ninja for the purpose of his attack speed... anything else is probably better, unless you have him to take hero bomb dmg before pd walks through...

Knightraven Rated on 11/9/14 9:48:22 AM: THIS. Agree with randy

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Posted on 11/9/14 9:51:19 AM | Show thread starter's posts only

Ritchel, no. Talents that hit for extra? Fyi, slow down only affects mov speed, and heavy blow is ABSOLUTELY useless in mesas? So, no....and no.

Randy_Keehnen(107489438) Rated on 11/9/14 10:27:28 AM: Slowdown and HB do not just slow or stun, they also do 100% dmg when triggered. Snowzilla with Slowdown is hands down the highest DPS hero on max spd&dmg (=in mesa) in the entire game.

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Posted on 11/9/14 10:00:04 AM | Show thread starter's posts only

Randy, i assumed this as well with the speed cap, but i was hoping i was wrong. I didnt know uf it had been actually tested.

Peziv Rated on 11/9/14 7:29:36 PM: It's actually quite obvious. Go raid with any slowdown hero and you'll notice he/she will hit a critical hit once in a while which is slow down activating

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Posted on 11/9/14 10:26:11 AM | Show thread starter's posts only

(86354646) replied at 11-9-2014 09:51 AM
Ritchel, no. Talents that hit for extra? Fyi, slow down only affects mov speed, and heavy blow is AB ...

Every time slow down activates it hits for 100% on top of slowing move speed. Every time HB activates it hits for 100% on top of stunning (the stun not being relevant in mesa).

As a result, every roughly every 4 hits for SD and every 10 hits for HB the hero will do an extra hit for 100% attack. This is what I mean when I say talents that hit for extra damage. By contrast, something like zerk or war god is useless at 200ms/35k cap. Slow down in particular is beneficial because it's a 25% chance compared to HB or Deadly Strike at 10% chance.

Randy_Keehnen(107489438) Rated on 11/9/14 10:28:49 AM: This ^. And you only need 1/5 slowdown, making it a relatively easy talent to acquire.

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Posted on 11/9/14 10:27:55 AM | Show thread starter's posts only

(86354646) replied at 11-9-2014 09:51 AM
Ritchel, no. Talents that hit for extra? Fyi, slow down only affects mov speed, and heavy blow is AB ...

Fool, ya fool, heavy blow, slowdown, and deadly strike are proc talents that deal damage everytime they proc.

slowdown does 100% attack power long with heavy blow so they can easily reach the 35k damage cap

(86354646) Rated on 11/11/14 4:04:18 AM: Why are you such a douche? Was anyone else being a d¢k? No...just you...again...your act is tired Pin. Grow up.

(86354646) Rated on 11/11/14 4:05:50 AM: And take your fanboy peziz with you. He used to be different, more calm and respectful. Now he just copies your tired jib.

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Posted on 11/9/14 10:32:02 AM | Show thread starter's posts only

So if Ordinary heroes hit the damage cap for their regular attacks and procs wouldn't a serpent queen be able to have just as much dps as a SZ? Making her the best or second best option?

ImmortalShrike Rated on 11/9/14 10:41:42 AM: I'm not sure SQ actually hits 35k dmg at max proc with regular attack.

ImmortalShrike Rated on 11/9/14 10:42:27 AM: Max proc = lots of stacked pd skills and probably 1-2 druid and probably 2 cupid

Randy_Keehnen(107489438) Rated on 11/9/14 1:51:38 PM: yes indeed, although SQ has a much harder time reaching the 35k dmg cap on her proc I think she can. she dies too easily in general though, but she can be decent DPS alternative in mesa for F2P! :)

Randy_Keehnen(107489438) Rated on 11/9/14 1:56:11 PM: i just found out SQ proc dmg is way lower due to the 35k base dmg cap. will get around 9k dmg per hit on proc. good but not good enough... still a nice alternative

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Posted on 11/9/14 10:40:11 AM | Show thread starter's posts only

pfift replied at 11-9-2014 10:32 AM
So if Ordinary heroes hit the damage cap for their regular attacks and procs wouldn't a serpent quee ...

I could be wrong, but I believe SQ's proc applies the percent damage after all other buffs, so she hits for 35k*28% (at 9/9), or 9800 per hit for 12 hits. Not awesome.

Randy_Keehnen(107489438) Rated on 11/9/14 1:52:20 PM: oh i didnt know this... weird how that works...

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Posted on 11/9/14 10:45:50 AM | Show thread starter's posts only

pfift replied at 11-9-2014 10:32 AM
So if Ordinary heroes hit the damage cap for their regular attacks and procs wouldn't a serpent quee ...

According to many a a person serpent queen does not even get close to the damage cap

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