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[Off-Topic] Empower PD vs Berzerk PD

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#1
Posted on 12/29/17 12:03:27 PM | Show thread starter's posts only

As stated,
since I only assume default hero energy gain per attack is 10 so if 8/8 Empower which gives 33 sec, so its 43 Energy, not added with energy gain per ATK received. So in my opinion, Empower can make PD stack much faster. For perfect example : Gunslinger except 20% faster if 8/8 Empower.


So this is just my opinion.

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Posted on 12/29/17 3:19:41 PM | Show thread starter's posts only

Assuming there is no hit taken and energy only gained from pd attacking and empower:

Zerk8 and blitz
600ms, 15 energy per hit, 7 hit = 4.2 sec to get first proc.
Next attack speed: speed cap 200ms.
Total to get to capped speed: 4.2 sec
With vite5 crest: 0.6sec.

Empower and blitz
Before 1st proc
Attack speed 800ms, 33 energy per sec from empower
66 energy in 2secs + 45 energy in 2.4ms, (15,33,15,33,15) so total of 2.4ms to get 1st proc.
After 1st proc, attack speed is at 400ms, 0.6 sec for empower to give the next energy (33), 1 sec to get the next 33, 3 hits at 0.4ms each to get the remaining energy (15,33,15,15,33) so total of 1.6 sec.
Next attack speed: speed cap 200ms.
Total to get to capped speed: 4 sec.
With vite5 crest:
0.8ms before first proc, 0.4ms attack speed afterwards. Total time to get first proc: 0.8 sec.
After 1st proc, empower triggers at +0.2sec giving 33 energy and requires 1sec for another 33 = requiring 3 hits at 0.4ms to get full bar (33,15,15,33,15). Total: 1.2 sec.
Next is speed cap. Total required time: 0.8sec + 1.2sec = 2 sec to reach speed cap (same with unbridled fury).

Not sure if this calculation exactly fits pd and game mechanic or not, but if it does then zerk pd with vite crest still win due to immediately reach the speed cap considering there are no other crest suits pd in general modes. Maybe we can get others to calculate this more precisely, sorry for any mistake or confusion caused.

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#3
Posted on 12/29/17 8:32:46 PM | Show thread starter's posts only

But what if zerk talent with empower crest. *mindblown*

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#4
Posted on 1/21/18 11:18:07 AM | Show thread starter's posts only

Like so many times, it depends on the game mode. For long fights empower is better than zerk. At 0.2s attack speed zerk PD procs every 1.4s, empower PD does every 1s. That means from 8s duration you get 8 stacks with a empower pd, with a zerk pd only 5-6. That makes a huge difference in lava, where summoning Enchants and Trixie or GS minions are summoned throughout the whole fight.
I think empower may be stronger in general, nonetheless I'd throw it on a dupe if I ever roll one.

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#5
Posted on 1/21/18 11:41:32 AM | Show thread starter's posts only

This doesn't have anything to do with what you're saying but I don't see the benefit of a late game talent switch for PD, accounts that have passed all dungeons etc. If you already have 8/8 zerk on yours making the switch probably won't get you anywhere special, PVP included. Spend 21k fame taking empower to 8/8 just to maybe score a few extra hundred fame over a week? No lol This would be a super high end account talent switch. If I ever get 5/8 Empower its not going to PD I find myself using him less and less every month and definitely wouldn't make another dupe already have a dupe PD with revite and he's still not finished.

But yea from the looks of it he stacks faster so a great choice for developing accounts. Just my opinion not that it's worth much.

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#6
Posted on 1/21/18 12:07:47 PM | Show thread starter's posts only

Empower is best talent for PD
Yes I’m changing my zerk

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#7
Posted on 1/22/18 4:41:05 AM | Show thread starter's posts only

But Empower PD on defend is the best. While waiting for next spawn your PD already have 100% energy in few sec.

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#8
Posted on 1/22/18 5:29:07 AM | Show thread starter's posts only

I just lvled my 2th PD to max. So now i have 2 x PD


Devo200 - 10/10 - 8/8 Empower &
Devo200 - 10/10 - 8/8 Zerk

Looking forward for the difference on the upcoming AD.

But in teori the Empower PD will improve my team with about 100% dmg because of the proc difference of 1sec pr proc vs 1.4sec pr proc.

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#9
Posted on 1/24/18 1:24:00 PM | Show thread starter's posts only

8 empower will get 8 stacks out of pd where as 8 zerk will see only 5, empower in the way to go.

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#10
Posted on 3/2/18 11:42:36 AM | Show thread starter's posts only

Wanna see
8emp with 4or5zerk
Vs 8zerk with 4or5emp
Zerk will be better in a standing still mode (vs demon)
Raiding emp would be better

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