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Posted on 8/29/14 10:47:30 PM | Show thread starter's posts only

Edited by ForceClosed at 9-2-2014 12:01 AM

Guild wars simulation – hero comparison

Purpose: to find which heroes are good at torch battles, and to determine the effectiveness of certain talents on particular heroes.


Methodology: 10000 1v1 matches in simulator for each hero type pair; with random hero level (7 star), skill (5-9), and talent. Hp is buffed 100%, i.e. hp is doubled. Not all heroes and talents are simulated yet.


Table: Winning percentages

  
  

GR

Champ

Ninja

TG

SM

Cupid

Succ

Druid

Average

GR

X

46.3

7.4

32.1

68.4

98.1

22.8

78.8

50.6

Champ

53.7

X

15.3

63.2

86.1

96.9

48.4

95.4

65.8

Ninja

92.6

84.7

X

77.2

96.5

98.9

48.1

97.8

84.8

TG

67.9

36.8

22.8

X

88.0

97.2

28.7

94.3

54.6

SM

31.6

13.9

3.5

12.0

X

82.7

8.3

48.9

28.5

Cupid

1.9

3.1

1.1

2.8

17.3

X

2.3

21.3

7.1

Succ

77.2

51.6

51.9

71.3

91.7

97.7

X

95.5

76.7

Druid

21.2

4.6

2.2

5.7

51.1

78.7

4.5

X

24.3


Conclusion: of the heroes considered, Ninja is the best 1v1, then Succubus, Champ, TG, GR in that order. SM did badly, mostly due the fact that when a melee heroes vs a ranged hero the melee will proc first.


Particular heroes:

  

Hero

  

Average winning percentage

Increase in average winning  percentage, compared to random talent

GR, 5/5 Scatter

97.6%

47.0%

GR, 5/5 Bulwark

79.4%

38.8%

GR, 5/5 Life Drain

73.8%

33.2%

GR, 5/5 Revitalize

60.4%

9.8%

GR, 5/5 Berserk

46.5%

-4.1%

GR, no talent

27.6%

-23.0%

Champion, 5/5 Scatter

95.2%

29.4%

Champion, 5/5 Heavy Blow

72.8%

7.0%

Champion, 5/5 Revitalize

67.3%

1.5%

Champion, no talent

54.2%

-11.8%

Champion, 5/5 Berserk

53.7%

-12.3%

Ninja, 5/5 Scatter

99.1%

14.3%

Ninja, 5/5 Revitalize

95.8%

11.0%

Ninja, 5/5 Bulwark

93.9%

9.1%

Ninja, 5/5 Revive

92.3%

7.5%

Ninja, 5/5 Life Drain

91.8%

7.0%

Ninja, 5/5 Heavy Blow

87.0%

2.2%

Ninja, 5/5 Deadly Strike

86.5%

1.7%

Ninja, no talent

76.3%

-8.5%

Succubus, 5/5 Scatter

95.6%

18.9%

Succubus, 5/5 Revitalize

93.1%

16.4%

Succubus, 5/5 Life Drain

91.3%

14.9%

Succubus, 5/5 Berserk

75.4%

-1.3%

Succubus, no talent

62.0%

-14.7%

Conclusion: 5/5 Scatter is general the best talent for 1v1. 5/5 Revitalize, Life Drain, and Bulwark are often good too.

For further details see:


Note that the conclusions here do not necessarily apply to every matchup, since Druid may well be good against Atlanticore, Cupid and SM against Mino, etc.

Further update on best heroes for guild wars

I have finished simulating all the heroes except Paladin (yes, I'm lazy), and Atlanticore.

Here are the results:
  

Hero

  

Winning rate

Moltanica

95.9%

Succubus

76.6%

Snowzilla

74.4%

Ninja

68.4%

Thunder God

67.8%

Immortep

56.4%

Champion

51.9%

Grizzly Reaper

47.5%

Pumpkin Duke

39.0%

Spirit Mage

28.1%

Druid

21.7%

Cupid

12.7%

Minotaur

9.5%


Moltanica is massively overpowered. The only way to win a reasonable propotion of the time against Moltanica is with a high level Succubus, or high level Scatter.

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Posted on 8/29/14 10:51:51 PM | Show thread starter's posts only

This is amazing. good job

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Posted on 8/29/14 10:54:58 PM | Show thread starter's posts only

I imagine Immortep and Snowzilla will be really good. Both have strong base stats and a brutal skill (albeit very random in Immo's case). Moltanica should be like 100% in no talent vs. no talent matches because of ludicrous base stats.

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Posted on 8/29/14 11:03:16 PM | Show thread starter's posts only

Drew_Boivie(135 replied at 8-29-2014 10:54 PM
I imagine Immortep and Snowzilla will be really good. Both have strong base stats and a brutal skill ...

Agreed 100%, I'll be simulating Immortep and Snowzilla. I expect them to be really good, it will be interesting to see them vs Ninja since Ninja will get his energy charged too by their procs.


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Posted on 8/29/14 11:08:24 PM | Show thread starter's posts only

will u be doing molt mino pd immo and sz as well ?

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Posted on 8/29/14 11:09:49 PM | Show thread starter's posts only

Edited by jdone at 8-29-2014 11:12 PM

jasraguild replied at 8-29-2014 11:08 PM static/image/common/back.gif
will u be doing molt mino pd immo and sz as well ?

Eventually, if I have time. PD and Molt are tricky with the attack speed business, and Immo is random which is tough too.

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Posted on 8/29/14 11:15:07 PM | Show thread starter's posts only

jdone replied at 8-29-2014 11:09 PM
Eventually, if I have time. PD and Molt are tricky with the attack speed business, and Immo is rand ...

yea i can see why that would be hard .. but this is fantastic thanks for the post :)

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Posted on 8/29/14 11:26:03 PM | Show thread starter's posts only

As I imagined, succubus is a big contender. Nice job! I'm sure this will help many people get an idea of which heroes to send out to battle and which talents to aim for.

Thanks for the awesome simulations.

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Posted on 8/30/14 12:30:37 AM | Show thread starter's posts only

Its kinda hilarious that range is actually a liability in this.

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Posted on 8/30/14 12:30:45 AM | Show thread starter's posts only

ForceClosed replied at 8-29-2014 11:26 PM
As I imagined, succubus is a big contender. Nice job! I'm sure this will help many people get an ide ...

Thanks a lot, ForceClosed! Yes, succubus is really good as you predicted on Line :)

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